we all have somebody we are crazy about that almost everybody can't stand.. if you mention their name your companions give you that "look" (ya know the one, like you just got caught picking your nose!).
i was thinking about this the other day.
i was truly curious if i'm mental or if everybody has a guilty pleasure list like i do.. i'm just going to assume we all do until you set me straight.. if you attach a photo and short explanation about why you like these pariahs it will be more meaningful.. .
Believe it or not, this believer likes Bill Maher. While I don't agree with him in his atheist views, his political views are usually spot on. And his discussion about the right wing fundamentalist views are usually shockingly accurate.
Yes, I am a contradiction
i just wanted to take a survey.
let's not let this get into the same old same old debate of atheism vs belief.
just respond with "atheist" or "believer" or "maybe god exists".
LWT: Would you count an agnostic atheist as an atheist? I would.
And undercover, while apatheist COULD be under "I don't care", I'd still count it as "atheist".
i just wanted to take a survey.
let's not let this get into the same old same old debate of atheism vs belief.
just respond with "atheist" or "believer" or "maybe god exists".
It's funny that you asked that LWT. When I come across that term, I usually have to stop for a second as I did on this thread when it came up. I guess I feel that an agnostic atheist is really an atheist that really understands the logic behind atheism. They are atheist in that they do not believe in the existance of a diety, but they are agnostic in that there is not a way to prove that a diety doesn't exist. I guess it would be the proving a negative idea. I can't prove that something does not exist.
some members have been using the term creationism to refer to everyone that is not an atheist, and believes in god.
i just wanted to bring out the fact that there are a wide variety of beliefs.
not all that believe in god reject evolution, propose a young earth, and reject scientific methods.. some newer atheists have been saying that unless you are an atheist you do not believe in facts, reason, and logic.
First of all, because it completely invalidates, and nearly calls a person a liar. It is an assumption, and a person telling another person what their true motivation is. Nobody here is qualified to do such a thing.
I see your point and that's fair. It was just my inner voice talking. That's why I said " I'll give them the benefit of the doubt, however. I just see a larger ratio of JWs and Mormons becoming atheists compared to other ex members." It's not an accusation or assumption. More of a pondering over "Why?". And I DO realize that everyone has a different story and reason for coming to their conclusions. I used to go around saying that exJWs tend to throw the baby out with the bathwater. I see why that's not accurate in many cases. But I really do personally feel that it's accurate in SOME cases. My pondering is mostly about why it seems that exJW's become atheists far more than people that leave other religious organizations.
I think cofty's point was the best so far. Because of having to struggle so much with belief in the JW organization and question all of their beliefs, they also include EVERYTHING in that questioning process, including God. I'm no different. I just came to a different conclusion than some others.
i just wanted to take a survey.
let's not let this get into the same old same old debate of atheism vs belief.
just respond with "atheist" or "believer" or "maybe god exists".
Good question, Satanus. I guess you found a flaw in my question. Does a belief in a "source" or "energy" behind the universe fit in? Does this "source" have any intelligence? Or is it mindless?
some members have been using the term creationism to refer to everyone that is not an atheist, and believes in god.
i just wanted to bring out the fact that there are a wide variety of beliefs.
not all that believe in god reject evolution, propose a young earth, and reject scientific methods.. some newer atheists have been saying that unless you are an atheist you do not believe in facts, reason, and logic.
a more accurate way of looking at it might be that evil, not being any kind of substance itself but the absence of good, is leading people.
I can follow that to a point... But I don't believe that atheists are evil because of their conclusions. I think they are wrong...yes. But an absence of GOOD? No, I don't follow that.
some members have been using the term creationism to refer to everyone that is not an atheist, and believes in god.
i just wanted to bring out the fact that there are a wide variety of beliefs.
not all that believe in god reject evolution, propose a young earth, and reject scientific methods.. some newer atheists have been saying that unless you are an atheist you do not believe in facts, reason, and logic.
To be honest if Dawkins and Harris became christians tommorow it wouldn't make the slightest difference to my position.
I think I respect that more than anything. If you are only believing or not believing a certain way because your "heros" are that way, then you cannot say that you've reached your conclusions based on research and logic.
However... how crazy would it be if Dawkins actually became an evangelical Christian?!? It would blow your mind!
i just wanted to take a survey.
let's not let this get into the same old same old debate of atheism vs belief.
just respond with "atheist" or "believer" or "maybe god exists".
00Dad: Agnostic
i just wanted to take a survey.
let's not let this get into the same old same old debate of atheism vs belief.
just respond with "atheist" or "believer" or "maybe god exists".
Terry's post in a nutshell: Atheist ( Love ya Terry)
I'll tally up the total in a day or so. But it's nothing accurate since not everyone will contribute to this.
might be back, might not.
i really appreciate the historical information on the jw's this board allowed me to find out about.
it really put things into perspective.
this board seems to be full of more people trying to stay in the org rather than leave it.
What?!? Since Recovery was booted, I haven't seen anyone that is trying to stay with the organization. Yes, there are many faders, but they have specific reasons for needing to fade. Usually to save family or friends. This comment seems to be off the wall...
